GRTiQ Podcast: 06 Jerry Okolo

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00:22
Yeah, so I read two articles Brandon put out. I’m talking about Brandon, Product Lead at The Graph Brandon Ramirez. That’s one of the posts was: The Graph in Depth. So when I read the articles I knew immediately that this was where I was going to spend my time and energy moving forward. I stuck around on it has, has been one of the best decisions I ever made.

01:16
Welcome to the GRTiQ Podcast. Today I’m speaking with Jerry Okolo, a Curator at The Graph. Jerry began the process of becoming a Curator very early in the launch of the Curator program. I wanted to speak to Jerry after reading a few thoughtful articles he wrote on the topic of subgraphs. My conversation with Jerry details, his interest in The Graphs Curator launch program, the nature of work Curators will perform once curation services become fully active, how he sees The Graphs role, not only in the crypto space, but as an organizer of truth in the world. We recorded our conversation during the very early hours in Jerry’s home country of Nigeria. And we got started by talking about what drew him toward the role of Curator at The Graph.

02:03
I was like, putting things in order, I always liked being able to organize things and create an order out of chaos. Because I think that the world is a very noisy place. And, and for me putting things in order and it just it makes, for me it makes the world easy to live in. So I think I’ve always had that in me. And like it just I think in a way it called me like it just was the perfect fit. So that was what drew me into it. The curating part of The Graph was about organizing and making this easy for people who want to do dappps. It’s what drew me to it.

02:45
As I understand it, the work of Curators is to stake GRT on subgraphs to signal to Indexers which subgraphs are worth indexing. How do Curators determine which subgraphs to signal on?

02:59
Okay, the way a Curator decides which subgraph to signal on this, what a Curator will do if he wants to signal on it, he first has to be evaluate it by checking for correctness, checking for completeness, then checking if there are other subgraphs that are similar to it, and so on. There are a lot of articles about evaluating subgraph, eventually we opt to the Curator to determine how deep they want to go in evaluating a subgraph. The important thing is to check out for is correctness and completeness. And if there are other because you don’t want to be building a subgraph that is already in the Explorer, you don’t want to be doing that you want to be signaling on subgraph can provide the highest quality of data. So if there’s a subgraph in the Explorer that is already doing that, then then there’s no point trying to create a new one. Those are the things you want to check out for this several that are made by the project team. So those projects will eventually be the source for the highest quality of data. So Curator, is basically looking for correctness is basically looking for completeness. And this is basically looking for if a subgraph is production ready. So those are the things they look out for.

04:21
Naturally, then I’d like to have you define what a subgraph is.

04:26
A subgraph is an open API that listens to events on-chain and tracks those events event to the way it works is: As most events keep… because an event could be anything, it could be an action somebody mentioned a talking anything that involves an action that is being recorded on-chain. So what the subgraph does is it listens to those events, and tracks those events on-chain and continuously scans new blocks on-chain for those events and stores it in The Graph node. So when somebody queries that graph, this is the data is already in The Graph node. The Graph node just serves those data quickly. So that’s, that’s basically what the subgraph is it, it listens for events on-chain, tracks them, and records them block by block, and saves them to The Graph node, which is what the indexing so the, the indexing of the subgraph is just The Graph node, scanning each block for those information and saving it to The Graph node. So when anybody queries that subgraph, The Graph node serves that data to the user to the dapp developer, whoever is requesting for those pieces, the data is already on the on The Graph node. It gets served quickly, instead of trying to figure out where that information is, at a time you’re trying to request that data.

05:49
Curation services aren’t currently fully active at The Graph. So what are Curators doing right now?

05:56
Right now, there is not much for Curators to do. But I think that will change when curation goes live right now is just okay, if you got spitted in the testnet, you already know what to expect and when curation goes live, so it’s basically just while we’re just waiting for when it goes live to be able to really participate. But I’m sure a lot of Curators already know the subgraphs that they are going to signal on. But we don’t know much about it. Now all to do is wait like, then we’re… we can participate. So right now there’s basically nothing to do is just be in the community try to help people in the community who are asking questions about curation and what to expect how to evaluate subgraph. So basically, that’s what Curators are doing right now.

06:44
How do you describe what Curators do or what a Curator is?

06:48
There are two kinds of Curators, there are technical Curators and non-technical Curators. So technical Curators, they’re viewed as signal on subgraphs. While non-technical Curators only signal on subgraph. So the only difference is the building parts. If you’re more technical, you know how to write code, you can build subgraphs, but non-technical Curators, they just signal on subgraphs, but they don’t build subgraph, they signal on subgraphs other Curators, or that people have built.

07:23
I’ve never heard it described that way. But it’s very interesting. So what kind of Curator are you?

07:29
I’ll call myself (laughs) should I say often call me technical Curator? Because I’m participating in I’m building subgraphs from reading the docs from like really knowing what is going on the way. So graphs work on this kind of thing. So I’ll call myself a technical Curator. And because I build a subgraph, but at the same time, all this is new to me like, like I was one of those people who participated in the testnet. So it’s just like, everything I know is what I’ve learned from joining The Graph don’t make sense, I’m not coming in as a developer, but I’m coming as, as someone who and who participated in the testnet, read the docs really know what they are trying to build, and want to be a part of that. So I’m trying to participate as fully as I can, not just being a non-technical Curator, or by just signaling on subgraph. I want to be in the active development of it.

08:27
So what happens when a Curator comes across the subgraph, that doesn’t meet their quality standards?

08:32
Okay, for me, I’ll typically leave it alone, I want to signal on the highest quality of data. To do that majority is best spent on a subgraph that is more complex than a subgraph that is not well done. So when I come across a subgraph, that is not correct, or a subgraph that is not complete, I simply just move along to the next subgraph, maybe it gets updated over time, and I circle back to it. Well, you don’t want to you don’t want to be signaling on the subgraph, that is not correct or incomplete. You basically lose money doing that, because when there’s a 10% tax when you signal on subgraph, so you basically you need to know what you’re doing before you actually signal on subgraphs, you don’t want to be signaling on a subgraph that is poorly done. And the way to do that is to focus our attention on subgraphs that will drive the most queries that are valuable to the network. That’s what we want to look out for.

09:31
Is it ever the case that multiple Curators will signal on the same subgraph?

09:36
Multiple Curators can signal on the same subgraph. Well, because it’s on a Bonding Curve, at some point, it becomes less profitable to signal on that subgraph, it becomes oversaturated you have to go and find the next subgraph to signal on. So there’s no limit to how many Curators can signal on a subgraph, but at some point, it just becomes unprofitable, because since it’s on the Bonding Curve, like, at some point, it cannot go higher, it becomes less profitable.

10:11
What happens if the Curator signals on a subgraph that an Indexer ultimately decides not to index?

10:18
To index subgraphs requires compute power. So okay, let’s say I signal on a on a subgraph, that is poorly done, if the Indexer looks at it, and says that, okay, this subgraph is poorly done, even though you signal on it they may still not index it, because they may look at it as Okay, I’m going to spend this amount of compute power index the subgraph, and this may not drive and query volume to the network. So it becomes less profitable for the Indexer to index even though you’re actually signaling on lot of subgraphs. Because the query volume…the business of an Indexer is to serve query, to people who want to query the subgraphs they have indexed. So if they index a subgraph, and there’s no demand for that subgraph, nobody is trying to request or try to get information from that subgraph, then it becomes a waste of resources to actually index that subgraph. So even though you signal on it, they still have a decision to make if they should actually signal this or not. So it’s not just a signal on this subgraph, therefore, you start indexing doesn’t I don’t think it works like that. They have to look at it to make the decision if they should actually index the subgraph, if the resources they are going to spend on it is what it at that point is up to the Indexer to decide what is if this is a profitable thing to do.

11:50
Will there ever come a time when Curators specialize in curating certain types of subgraphs or any other type of specializations?

11:58
No, I don’t think so. Because when you read the docs, there’s a way to build subgraphs, you can basically create a subgraph or you can do subgraph for almost any project on-chain. Now, we are doing the NFT subgraph call that we’re trying to create a standard for, for what an NFT do we and NFT subgraphs should be built. So we are trying to create a standard around that. Somebody who is trying to build a subgraph now have to maybe conform to the standards they are trying to make. But there is no limitation to anything, you can basically do it create any subgraph you like. And there is no specialization when it comes to building subgraphs. If you can’t read the docs, and you have a programming background, then you can basically create anything you want. At the end of the day, it’s a it will be the indexes that will have to decide if what you’ve built is worth indexing.

12:57
One theme of this podcast is to help members of the Delegator community avoid Indexers that might be considered bad actors. I’m curious if Curators also have the same concerns.

13:09
I think it is a problem everyone has to worry about because anybody can be anything like just because like amateur It doesn’t mean I’m not a Delegator so is the same if there are bad actors, there is no because just think about it, there is no way to identify you to link your Ethereum address to your role in the in the ecosystem. So there is no addressing Okay, this this person delegating is a Curator or this person delegating is a Delegator this person delegated, that is a founder or whatever, is still the same. It affects everybody, even if a Delegator get screwed by an Indexer. It could easily be anybody, it doesn’t necessarily mean that somebody is a Curator, and therefore they get more aware of and how to deal with these Delegators. The same rule applies to everybody. I guess that’s what I’m trying to say. There’s no way to say okay, this person is a Curator, therefore, they don’t get to experience that. But at the same time, I think Curators Especially the ones that went through the testnet, they are less likely to get involved with a with a bad outcome doesn’t mean an Indexer can change in the future. But it’s easier to go if you’ve been in the community for long, it’s easier to know the people to delegate to that. You can sleep like I can go to bed at night knowing that I’ve seen this guy right from from the testnet, and I know like, he’s really dedicated and they really have the community. So those are the kind of people I want to the people I delegated to. I don’t even know like, I don’t even know what they are trying to do because already there’s a kind of trust because I see them in the community every time and I feel like my majority is in safe hands. Well I can totally see it from the point of somebody who’s just like, who doesn’t know these people and you just come in, maybe you’re trying to get in or something. But, yeah, if an Indexer becomes a bad actor, his actions is going to affect everybody who is delegating. Regardless of whether they’ve been known there for a long time. It doesn’t really matter, it affects everybody

15:24
As a Delegator, then how do you go about selecting which Indexers to work with?

15:28
Before we started this call, I looked at my allocations, the people I allocated to do I know them in the community. Maybe no…I don’t know them personally, but I see them in the community. They are they are well known in the community, not in has been happening for the past. I think for the past 45 days, I’ve been seeing the same rewards for the past five weeks, even though this is somebody I know if you get what that mean, I see them in the community. So I guess another thing to do is to spread your spread your bids in a way that even if one person doesn’t perform the way you want, the other the other ones can really make up for it. Hi, this is Jerry Okolo. I’m a Curator The Graph. If my conversation with the GRTiQ Podcast has been helpful to you. Please consider supporting future episodes by becoming a subscriber GRTiQ.com slash podcast for more information GRTiQ.com/podcast. Thanks for listening.

16:49
Should members of the Delegator community have the expectation that they might earn more rewards once curation services go live?

16:58
I think they will earn more value I’m saying it because obviously nobody knows how curation works. Even during the testnet, there was no curation. So we don’t really know what it will look like when the curation starts. But thinking about it, like knowing the ecosystem and thinking about it, the query volume means Indexers are doing business and they are any number of awards for the business they do. So when the duration goes live, as long as people use The Graph, and there are more subgraphs being indexed, then it makes sense that everybody will benefit from it. Because those query volumes that The Graph is doing, those will potentially be rewards for everybody. I think everybody is going to benefit from it Curators, Indexers, Delegators, as long as there are people actually requesting for this data and paying for it. So I think that is when that’s the main event, when the Indexer start indexing most of browsers, when we start seeing, we start seeing the ecosystem flourish. So I think everybody is going to benefit from it.

18:07
So why is it appear there are so few Curators right now?

18:11
And I think that is because them signal is in live yet I think that we are over 2000 people that participated in the testnets, if 10% of those people stayed behind on that does over 200 people. So I think there are a lot of Curators, we’re not seeing them because or maybe they are not active in the community. But I think everybody is waiting for once signaling goes live. And again, once signaling goes live, I think we see a lot a flood of new Curators, I’m sure that there’ll be Delegators who want to curate as well. And, and that’s the beauty of it. You’re not tied to one role you can contribute however you want. Your performance will be based on how correct you are in the decisions that you make and the actions you take. So subgraphs like Uniswap or Synthetix or Airswap they’re a great way for Delegators to really get a feel for how and curation works. Because this project are well known to there’s little evaluation that needs to be done. “Oh, the subgraph Uniswap built it that What more do you need!?” you get what I mean? So it’s very easy because if you look at the current Explorer, you’ll see that the subgraphs that they were made by the teams like: if we look at Uniswap, Synthetix, those subgraphs, it was a Uniswap team that built their subgraphs or Synthetix that built their subgraphs. If you look at the Explorer, this subgraphs are curated, you find them at the top, they are featured on the Explorer. So it’s very easy for Delegators to signal on subgraph to get a feel for how it works. And again, there are hundreds of articles that were written by creators during the testnets are how to identify and evaluate and Good subgraph and I’m sure there’ll be new articles on how and curation works when it goes like this, we bring in this we bring in new participants and I think, is one thing that Delegator community will be looking out for. Because once those things go live, then a Delegator is now a Curator as long as they have GRT. You get what I mean? So it’s really open for everybody. And we start seeing a lot of Curators when this thing go live.

20:21
What’s your advice to members of the Delegator community that might want to become a Curator?

20:26
I think they should participate. It’s up to us to make sure all the information of reward gets preserved in a way that’s easily accessible. Pmon are reusable over time. And I think that the does a great thing for anyone to be a part of. Yeah, basically being rewarded for being honest. And like, that’s something that I think, I think it’s amazing, I think everyone should be part of that Indexers are happy to serve truth, Delegator are happy to stand behind truth by delegating to Indexers that are indexing and serving accurate data accurate, Curators are happy to organize truth, and all participants have skin in the game as a representation of their convictions. As the network grows, there will always be room for more Curators, because events are unfolding. And it’ll be up to us to organize it.

21:21
So what’s your advice for Delegators that want to get more involved in The Graph community, and in the work of Curators

21:28
I think Delegators should, if they really have the time, though, like I should learn how to build subgraphs, I think there’s potentially a lot of opportunities there. Because as distant gets bigger and bigger, I think there’ll be a lot of demand for some graph developers. And if you read The Graph docs is very well detailed. And so they’ve really made it easy for anybody to just pick up the docs and play with units of graphs. Even though it’s not a production grade book, I think he will help you understand how to evaluate subgraphs, because if you actually spend the time building one, then it’s easier to really know what they’re trying to do, what to do, the whole ecosystem is about and what’s really happening behind the scenes. So it will really help you identify which subgraphs but there are other kinds of subgraphs that you can build, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you only want to signal on Uniswap subgraph or Synthetix subgraph, and this subgraphs are going to be oversaturated. But there are other subgraphs that that are equally valuable. But they may not be from projects. There’s one there’s one subgraph in particular, that some graph tracks or ERC-721 tokens. So that kind of subgraph is not is not what you expect a project like Synthetix to build. It is something that a subgraph developer or Curator would want to build that that they think will be valuable for the ecosystem. So those kind of things are learning how to build the subgraph and really testing it out seeing for yourself if it’s something that you want to spend your time on. So I think it’s not only help, you know, we saw graphs of high quality, but also help you in building unique subgraphs that could be valuable to the ecosystem. And the beauty of it is, if you’ve build that kind of subgraph, you get to be the first person who signals on it is like maintaining your own token and putting it on Uniswap. before anybody buys it, you’re going to see a lot of opportunities that and I think delegates who already know how to code is going to have a look of advantage when they read the docs, but the doc is one of the best Doc’s I’ve seen since I’ve been in crypto is just Well, it’s so well done. And again, the videos are online by the team really talking about building subgraph. So I know the Delegators they come from different places, if like if they are looking for a change of career, and if they are looking for how they want to spend their time moving forward, I think there’s a lot of opportunity there. You can you can basically build a subgraph and it pays you forever. If that, if you its true is correct, is very valuable. A lot of people are actually using it, then it’s going to trend upwards and you get to even spend your time on maybe even building more subgraphs or spend your time however you want to I think is a Delegator should not be intimidated by the docs.

24:34
How important do you think delegates are to the future of The Graph?

24:38
Yeah, Delegators, they help in securing the network. I think they also help in the decentralization of it. At least that’s the way I think about it. Because delegation is the, I don’t want to say, is the easiest thing you could do because you still have to know what you’re doing in terms of who you need to be because as we adjust what we’re just talking about, About delegating to the wrong Indexer, you could get bond. So, delegation is like the delegation is something that is the easiest for the typical holder to do. That is like the entry level role. Let me put it like that. I’m not trying to belittle it, but it’s like the easiest thing to do with your GRT, the moment you get it, so you get your GRT. Or let me delegate it, and rewards from it. So I think they help with the decentralization of the network call, as the holders of this token increase. And there’s a potential for more delegates to come into the network. And another thing to think about is, this is just my thinking is, there’s ever a case where somebody in the community that Delegators trust, maybe, for instance, now, let’s say 50%, of which is very unlikely, and more or less if 50% of Indexer start acting in a way that doesn’t, isn’t in the best interest of M Delegators. Delegators stand to their fronts, find somebody that you trust in the community and delete, because you need 100,000 GRT to become an Indexer. So more, the more people holding the tokens. Now, I’m calling them Delegators now, and the more people holding the tokens means that they are not tied to a specific Indexer. So if, let’s say 50% of Indexer starts acting in a way that can Delegators those not like, then they can pull their funds and look for somebody to give 100,000 GRT for to run and to run a node, if that makes sense. So that’s just my own thinking. Well, I don’t know how, if this makes sense, at least in the in the reward am sense? Well, I’ve always thought about it that way. Delegators, they have a lot of power in terms of the decentralization of the protocol in the sense that they can, they can easily find new Indexers to delegate the majority to even though you need 100,000 GRT to be an Indexer Delegators can always find who they who they really trust or who they believe has their best interests at heart. So even if that person doesn’t have 100,000 GRT, they can easily get it for them. I think that’s one thing I think Delegators can do with the majority to more holder’s means there’s a possibility that they can easily just move their phones around and find who they actually trust if things are not really going well for them. Or if a large number of Indexers start acting in a way that they don’t want. At least that’s the way I think about it. But I don’t know if this is something that is practical. In the real world. Well, I’ve always thought about something like that.

27:46
How did you first get involved in crypto?

27:49
I first heard about crypto during the last cycle. I was one of those people who got in late December 27. And when the bear market came in 2018 I panicked and sold everything or the tokens I bought. Or even though it felt like the right thing to do at the time I knew I had at the back of my mind that something wasn’t right here. And that I needed to find the information. One book daily open my eyes to the possibility of blockchain technology was the Truth Mission. The book came out in 2018. The book made me realize that crypto wasn’t all about speculation that there’s actually something being built here. I’m from Nigeria. And as an artist, working with clients overseas was always a pain because of your restrictions on services like PayPal, like PayPal, you can’t in Nigeria you cannot receive money from people abroad you can only send payments via PayPal. So this this was the issue I had been man as a as an artist in Nigeria, I could not receive payments from clients are broad. I’ve always wondered why this why these were expressions were put in place but never made any sense to me and this restrictions could be found in many areas, not just being able to receive payment. Now the idea that we just added Ethereum address, I can travel around the internet at the speed of light carrying value as I travel exchange or receive value from other people without a central authority. That was really empowering for me. Yeah, so I’ve always wanted to be part of that. But there wasn’t much I could do back then. Because though we have them Crypto Kitties, but then it was mostly just ICOs. So in in July 2020, during the DeFi Summer, I started giving the crypto space a lot more attention. I really went deep into it, I really immersed myself, I found out that the ecosystem has really matured from what it was in 2018 because then I started seeing those things that are already bought in the Truth Machine, like it was no longer theoretical. So projects like 3Box, Identity, then I’m Uniswap, borderless and permissionless trades. So like I started seeing those projects like being used, it was then I found The Graph in July, the same July 2020. I found The Graph on Twitter. I remember the tweet I read, the guy was saying, it was saying how great it was and how you saved him a lot of time during development. Like I’m all for efficiency. And so I went down that rabbit hole. Yeah, so I read two articles, Brandon put out an article about Brandon, Project Lead at The Graph, Brandon Ramirez. Yeah. And the title of the post was The Graph in Depth. When I read the articles, I knew immediately that this was where I was going to spend my time and energy moving forward. I stuck around and I think that’s, that’s one of the best decisions I ever made.

30:56
How popular is crypto in your home country of Nigeria?

31:00
I think it’s very popular among young people. But most of the people I’ve talked to, is the speculation part of it, which is like, Oh, I’m going to buy it low, and will wait, which nobody really talks about the technology part of it. I’m sure there are people out there, but mostly people I’ve met, this is really about limit by level and say hi, well, nobody ever talks about, like, what’s being built here? And what the implications of what they are trying to build. Yeah. I mean, I have people I do talk to and relate with what was being built, is mostly Buying and selling. There is no love for the tech atleast the people I have talked to.

31:40
Do you think crypto has the power to address poverty in Nigeria? And across the world?

31:45
Yeah, I actually think crypto is going to lift a lot of people out of poverty. Because if you think about it, like, I don’t know, I think it was on Twitter. I can’t remember was it a while I was saying and was talking about permission less jobs. I see a Nigeria where young people are LPs. They are liquidity providers. And they just provide liquidity and, and they make a living off of that. You understand? Like, if you look at The Graph, not a lot, we have like three roles, Delegators, Curators and indexes. So think about all the projects that are on Ethereum got a lot of jobs that are being created right now. And it’s just a matter of time before people start to go in into that, or there’s actually something Yeah. And like you can you can actually contribute in this communities on the part of them and actually make a living for yourself. So I think it’s just a matter of time before we start seeing something like this. And I’m very excited about it, because it’s we keep a lot of people occupied. And because it’s actually very interesting, like all this like, talking about it like it’s just very, I find it very interesting. Now, I think it’s going to take some time, but to eventually get there.

33:02
So what’s your long term vision for The Graph?

33:05
The Graph is about making data open and accessible. And at the protocol level is designed to reward truth. As a Curator, if you if a signal is subgraph isn’t were made, and maybe the subgraph isn’t producing accurate information, over time is going to, nobody’s going to use it. Because if people are going to use your subgraph, to build their dapp, they will eventually want to make sure that this information on this subgraph I’m using is actually providing the right information. So when that happens, they will stop using it or it will not be used and all the people signaling on that subgraph, they’re going to end up losing and the value of their GRT because there’ll be nobody using it, there’ll be no volume, there’ll be no use for it. Because if the information is provided is not true, though, you’re going to trend downwards, if that makes sense. But it’s subgraph that is serving truth is going to trend upwards because people who are using it, if the subgraph is providing the correct information, didn’t they are going to continue paying the query fees for that and data they are using for theie dapp and it is a positive reinforcement, as long as it’s used, and the people using it, continue using it then more people are going to use that and they are going to keep using it. And at some point, what we’re going to have left are all the subgraphs that are actually providing accurate information, the ones that are not providing accurate or correct information are just going to fade into oblivion. So what I mean and The Graph is a source of truth is the protocol is designed in a way that you are being rewarded for being honest. If you are not honest and honest in the senses, this subgraph I’m trying to signal on is it actually correct? Is it actually accurate? Does it provide them? The current information? Like those are the things you have to ask yourself before signaling on it? Because by signaling on it, yeah, basically saying, okay, I believe this information is correct. And I know it’s going to be valuable for the network. And I’m ready to put my GRT where my mouth is. So when you do that, you say is correct, then even if it gets indexed moment of truth is that isn’t going to come out that or distant is not actually correct there, nobody’s going to use it. So by doing that, but you’re basically saying, in the eyes of the protocol, you are basically lying, even if you are being deliberate about it or not. So the protocol is designed to reward honesty, what are you know, what you’re doing or not, the protocol doesn’t know, over time is going to trend the event to become less used. And if it becomes less used, nobody’s going to want to signal our needs and Indexers may not even index it, or if either the index, it is not a good thing for them to hold or is not people are not dapp developers are not actually using it, then there is no point for them holding it, there is no point for them serving the data to anybody, so everybody’s acting in their self-interest there. But at the end of the day, a truth two wins, let me put like that the truth will eventually come out. Because nobody is going to be continued paying for something that is not giving them what they want is like paying for sunshine, you’re not getting what you paid for, you’re eventually going to move on from it or find something else. So that’s the way it is and other people signaled on it. In a way, not being honest or not being any, if you look at it is still true. Because if you don’t, if you don’t evaluate the subgraph, correctly, then you are being dishonest, because you’re basically signaling on it, saying this information is correct is going to be valuable. But you didn’t really know what you were doing it just like the signal on it. And so that’s what I mean by in the go to source for truth.

37:09
So sounds like you think The Graph can change the world,

37:12
I think it’s already changing the way information is stored and shared. So the changes will participate on the internet, if you look at the monthly query volume, is a testament to that. Actually The Graph has been a go to source for truth, as more people around the world come to participate on the network, either by being a Delegator, or a Curator or an Indexer will see The Graph become even more dominant. One thing I really like that The Graph is doing is and the way it involves other projects and discussion is very inclusive, that you will look at the subgraph community, you find developers like developers from and SORA, Rariable, and so on. And it’s important for setting the standard that everyone is on board with so I see The Graph as the go to source for truth.

38:04
Do you think there are any challenges ahead for The Graph?

38:07
I think, first off, something like this has never been done at scale. So we’re basically on the edge of this 10. Like we’re basically on the edge. And this is all unfolding. And The Graphs, greatest challenges is the unknown, which is true with just about anything, and another area would be governance. But I don’t think that that’s a bad thing, per se, because pushing through challenges is how we evolve in disagreements I sign that, at least from how I see it. Disagreements is a sign that we have a truly decentralized community. And we eventually move past that any disagreements and I think we will eventually learn from it and evolve as a result of that. So maybe problem is too strong the word, but I see it as both a challenge and a good thing at the same time. Because I think the… I don’t know, I just feel like if everything if everything goes smoothly, then we are not really pushing ourselves. And we’re not really trying to move to the next level. So I think governance is one thing because we’re never always going to agree with everything. But at the end of the day, we eventually move past it and learn from it and evolve as a as a result of it. So that’s what I think in terms of the challenges ahead, which I think is a good thing.

39:33
Jerry, thank you so much for your time explaining what Curators do and your vision for The Graph. If listeners want to learn more about you, what’s the best way to stay in touch?

39:43
They can visit my website, jerryokolo.com that is it.